Director of Spiritual Care & Clinical Supervisor at Kaiser Permanente

David Roth, Ph.D, is a board-certified clinical chaplain and diplomate in pastoral supervision. He is director of spiritual care and the senior on-site CPE supervisor at Kaiser Permanente (KP) under the auspices of the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy (CPSP). He heads up the Napa Solano (Vallejo and Vacaville) program and is responsible for launching KP’s training programs in Sacramento and California’s Central Valley.

David holds a BA in socio-cultural anthropology from Temple University, an MA in religious studies from Providence College, a graduate diploma in spirituality, as well as a licentiate and a PhD in theology from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome.

He completed a one-year residency in clinical pastoral care at Lehigh Valley Hospital, a Level I Trauma Center affiliated with the Penn State University School of Medicine, a year-long traineeship in sex and relationship therapy at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School/University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, and a fellowship in psychoanalysis at the NYU Psychoanalytic Institute (now the Institute for Psychoanalytic Education affiliated with NYU School of Medicine).

With over thirty years’ experience in ministry, David has been a professor of spirituality, pastoral ministry and applied ethics in the graduate schools of several colleges and universities. He has been Clinical Professor of Chaplaincy and CPE Supervisor at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah. He is co-founder of the annual National Clinical Training Seminar-West, was formerly convener of the Nautilus Pacific Chapter of CPSP and serves on the Governing Council of CPSP as a member of the Chapter of Diplomates. He is a member of the board of directors of Grex, the West Coast affiliate of the AK Rice Institute for the Study of Social Systems. In 1989 he was elected a fellow of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, and in 2019 became the first person from the clinical pastoral field to become a clinical fellow of the International Neuropsychoanalysis Society .

David serves as general editor for the Boisen Books Project ( which is publishing new editions of the major works of the founder of the clinical pastoral care movement, Anton T. Boisen. At the 2015 CPSP Plenary gathering in Chicago, he curated the first-ever exhibit of primary source materials from the Boisen Archives. He is also general editor and publisher at the CPSP Press.

David has worked internationally in a wide variety of settings, bridging cultural, ethnic, racial and faith group boundaries, and among socially marginalized populations. In 2014, David and his wife Asha Allen, a social worker, launched Mission San Pedro, working with elderly Tzutujil Maya widows in Guatemala to improve their quality of life through improved nutrition and basic health services. David is an ordained member of the Francis of Assisi Eucharistic Community in Gilbert, Arizona.

Manager of Spiritual Care & Clinical Supervisor at Kaiser Permanente – Sacramento

Matthew Real, MAT, DMin, is a board certified clinical chaplain (BCCC) and pastoral counselor (BCPC) and a supervisor-in-training (SIT) under the direction of the Nautilus Pacific Chapter of the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy.  He is the manager of spiritual care and onsite CPE supervisor at Kaiser Permanente Sacramento.

Matt is an ordained minister and endorsed for healthcare chaplaincy through the American Baptist Churches of the USA. He earned his undergraduate degree from the University of California, Berkeley in history, his master’s degree in theology from Fuller Theological Seminary, and his Doctor of Ministry from The Graduate Institute of the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy (CPSP). He is an active participant in the National Clinical Training Seminar – West and in group relations work.

Matt trained as a chaplain resident at Kaiser Permanente – Napa Solano and then was selected and served as a clinical fellow in pastoral care and supervisor-in-training there.  Previously, Matt worked professionally for over twenty-five years in parish ministry in California and Oregon. He is married and has two teenage sons. 

Consulting Diplomate Supervisors

Raymond Lawrence, DMin, is General Secretary of the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy (CPSP), a position he has held since the founding of the organization in 1990.

Raymond has been a clinical pastoral supervisor and psychotherapist since 1969 in general hospital and psychiatric institutions. For 15 years, until his retirement in 2007, he was Director of Pastoral Care at New York Presbyterian Hospital, the teaching hospital of Columbia and Cornell Universities. He has directed clinical pastoral training programs in Texas, Georgia, Virginia, and at Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in New Brunswick, NJ.

He holds a B.A. from Boston University, M.Div. from Union Theological Seminary (Richmond), an S.T.M from University of the South, and the D.Min. degree from New York Theological Seminary.

Raymond is the author of Recovery of Soul: A History and Memoir of the ClinicalPastoral Movement (2017), Nine Clinical Cases: The Soul of Pastoral Care and Counseling (2015),  Nine More Clinical Cases: Cases: Case Studies in Clinical Pastoral Care, Counseling and Psychotherapy (2020), The Poisoning of Eros: Sexual Values in Conflict (1989), and Sexual Liberation: The Scandal of Christendom (2007). He is also the editor and co-author of a book is on the famous Bubble Boy case, Bursting the Bubble (2019), where he was the chaplain.  He has published in The Annals of Behavioral Medicine, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Journal of Religion and HealthChristianity and CrisisThe Christian CenturyJournal of Pastoral Care and CounselingThe New York TimesBoston GlobeBaltimore SunWashington Post, and elsewhere.

Dr. Lawrence has been a minister for more than 50 years, first as a Methodist and later as an Episcopalian.

The Reverend Dr. William C. Scar, DMin, is founding diplomate in pastoral psychotherapy of the Nautilus Pacific Chapter and the past president (2015-17) of the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy.

Bill is a diplomate of the American Association of Pastoral Counselors, a clinical member and approved supervisor of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a clinical chaplain and pastoral psychotherapist certified by CPSP.

He received his BA from Kenyon College and studied graduate-level psychology at St. Louis University and the University of Missouri, St. Louis. He received his Master of Divinity degree from Concordia Seminary, and his Doctor of Ministry degree in pastoral counseling from the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago.  He completed the Pastoral Care and Counseling Training Program in the Division of Religion and Psychiatry, as well as the two-year Marriage and Family Therapy Training Program for Community Practitioners, at The Menninger Foundation and Clinic.

From 1994 through 2015, Bill was Director of The Good Samaritan Counseling Center, sponsored by the South Coast Interfaith Council, in Southern California.